Comments on: Thornton Likes Bengals Playoff Chances in ‘09 http://stripehype.com/2009/02/05/thornton-like-bengals-playoff-chances-in-09/ A Cincinnati Bengals Blog Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:33:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Sleeping With Bieniemy http://stripehype.com/2009/02/05/thornton-like-bengals-playoff-chances-in-09/comment-page-1/#comment-947 Sleeping With Bieniemy Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:52:37 +0000 http://stripehype.com/?p=820#comment-947 Understood, Dave, you make valid points. I would just like to see some extreme moves made by the fans like actually stopping financial support instead of the same old same old. If it doesn't work, fine, we'll just patiently wait for Death to arrive... Understood, Dave, you make valid points. I would just like to see some extreme moves made by the fans like actually stopping financial support instead of the same old same old. If it doesn’t work, fine, we’ll just patiently wait for Death to arrive…

]]> By: David http://stripehype.com/2009/02/05/thornton-like-bengals-playoff-chances-in-09/comment-page-1/#comment-946 David Fri, 06 Feb 2009 17:27:11 +0000 http://stripehype.com/?p=820#comment-946 Hey, it's cool, Eric. I'm not trying to pick a fight here. I've just seen this movie before time and again on blogs, forums and web sites -- and now in Doc's columns -- when the Mike Brown bashing becomes fan-bashing. Trust me, that's a dead end. I'm not convinced Brown ever really gave up much control even after the '02 debacle. He just wisely dropped out of sight. As for 1. and 2., I agree there are larger civic issues, but the county is tied into that mess by a lopsided stadium deal, and if there's any hope of the team cutting the county some slack, I'm sure that scenario would require increased, not reduced, team revenues. Nor am I sure there's much that can be done to un-entrench management. Maybe when Mike finally shuffles off this mortal coil there might be change, but until then I think fans are stuck. Hey, it’s cool, Eric. I’m not trying to pick a fight here. I’ve just seen this movie before time and again on blogs, forums and web sites — and now in Doc’s columns — when the Mike Brown bashing becomes fan-bashing. Trust me, that’s a dead end.

I’m not convinced Brown ever really gave up much control even after the ‘02 debacle. He just wisely dropped out of sight. As for 1. and 2., I agree there are larger civic issues, but the county is tied into that mess by a lopsided stadium deal, and if there’s any hope of the team cutting the county some slack, I’m sure that scenario would require increased, not reduced, team revenues. Nor am I sure there’s much that can be done to un-entrench management. Maybe when Mike finally shuffles off this mortal coil there might be change, but until then I think fans are stuck.

]]> By: Sleeping With Bieniemy http://stripehype.com/2009/02/05/thornton-like-bengals-playoff-chances-in-09/comment-page-1/#comment-945 Sleeping With Bieniemy Fri, 06 Feb 2009 00:00:12 +0000 http://stripehype.com/?p=820#comment-945 I guess we'll have to agree to disagree Dave. First, it's not a false premise that if the fans abandon the Bengals financially nothing will change. After 2002 this threat loomed large and Katie forced Mike to hire Marvin and cede some control (at least temporarily). Second, you can easily argue that continued financial support is not harmless for two reasons: 1. The Bengals are a publicly funded institution so there are larger civic issues 2. Continued financial support further entrenches a failed management strategy and hurts Bengals fans who want to see a consistent winner from having this hope Again, these aren't fun truths to confront as a fan as you party in your endzone seats during yet another meaningless Bengals season. But it doesn't make these truths any less real. I don't think Doc is out of line pointing when he points this out. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree Dave.

First, it’s not a false premise that if the fans abandon the Bengals financially nothing will change. After 2002 this threat loomed large and Katie forced Mike to hire Marvin and cede some control (at least temporarily).

Second, you can easily argue that continued financial support is not harmless for two reasons:

1. The Bengals are a publicly funded institution so there are larger civic issues
2. Continued financial support further entrenches a failed management strategy and hurts Bengals fans who want to see a consistent winner from having this hope

Again, these aren’t fun truths to confront as a fan as you party in your endzone seats during yet another meaningless Bengals season. But it doesn’t make these truths any less real. I don’t think Doc is out of line pointing when he points this out.

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